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March 12, 2026
REGULAR MEETING - 5:00 P.M.
CITY COUNCIL CHAMBER
22 Civic Center Plaza Santa Ana, CA 92701
CALL TO ORDER
MINUTES: Chair Carpenter called the meeting to order at 5:00 P.M.
ATTENDANCE Commission Members Evangeline Gawronski
Amalia Mejia
Carlos Perea
Nadin Said
Danny Vega
Vice Chair Gabriel Castillo Laughton
Chair Keith Carpenter
Staff Members
Independent
Oversight Director T. Jack Morse Jr.
Deputy City Manager Sylvia Vazquez
Deputy Chief Roland Andrade
Police Commander Jorge Lopez
Assistant City Attorney Jonathan Martinez
Recording Secretary Abigail Y. Alcala
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ROLL CALL
MINUTES: Recording Secretary Diana Zuniga conducted roll call.
Commissioners Gawronski, Mejia, Perea (arrived at 5:03 P.M.), Said (arrived at 5:01
P.M.), and Vega, Vice Chair Castillo Laughton (arrived at 5:01 P.M.), and Chair
Carpenter were present.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
MINUTES: Chair Carpenter led the Pledge of Allegiance.
PUBLIC COMMENTS—Public comments will be held during the beginning of the meeting
for all comments on agenda items. Members of the public may provide comments on any
agenda or non-agenda items within the subject matter jurisdiction of the commission.
MINUTES: None.
CONSENT CALENDAR
RECOMMENDED ACTION: Approve staff recommendations on the following
Consent Calendar Items: 1 and 2.
MINUTES:At 5:02 P.M., the Consent Calendar was considered.
MOTION: Commissioner Gawronski moved to approve Consent Calendar Item
Nos. 1 and 2, , seconded by Vice Chair Castillo Laughton.
The motion carried, 6-0-0-1, by the following roll call vote:
AYES: COMMISSIONER GAWRONSKI, COMMISSIONER MEJIA,
COMMISSIONER SAID, COMMISSIONER VEGA, VICE
CHAIR CASTILLO LAUGHTON, CHAIR CARPENTER
NOES: NONE
ABSTAIN: NONE
ABSENT: COMMISSIONER PEREA
Status: 6- 0 - 0 — 1 — Pass
1. Excused Absences
Recommended Action: Excuse the absent members.
2. Minutes from the Regular Meetings of February 12, 2026.
Recommended Action: Approve minutes.
***END OF CONSENT CALENDAR***
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BUSINESS CALENDAR
MINUTES:At 5:03 P.M., the Business Calendar was considered.
3. Santa Ana Police Department Military Equipment Policy No. 707 and
Unmanned Aerial System Policy No. 606
Recommended Action: Receive a presentation and provide input on Santa Ana
Police Department's updated Military Equipment Policy No. 707, including the
amendment pertaining to the use of Unmanned Aerial Systems (UAS), and
Unmanned Aerial System Policy No. 606.
MINUTES: Deputy City Manager Sylvia Vazquez introduced Military Equipment
Policy No. 707 and Unmanned Aerial System Policy No. 606.
Commander Jorge Lopez provided a presentation regarding Military Equipment
Policy No. 707 and Unmanned Aerial System Policy No. 606.
Commissioner Gawronski inquired whether the military conducts the training for
officers to operate the drones.
Commander Lopez clarified the military does not administer the drone training and
instead selected Police Department personnel are trained and certified through
various drone operator schools.
Commissioner Vega inquired whether drones are considered military equipment,
the cost of maintenance, the process of acquiring additional drones, and whether
drones could be used to investigate illegal fireworks or code violations and
requested the Police Department host workshops to educate the community on the
new drone program.
Commander Lopez stated state law classifies drones as military equipment, and
clarified the cities drone program will not be used, provided or trained by the military.
Additionally, he stated the projected yearly cost for drone damages and repairs are
$15,000 to $20,000.
Deputy Chief Roland Andrade outlined drone limitations regarding flight times, and
clarified that drones could be dispatched for calls of service regarding illegal
fireworks and will not be used to inspect for code enforcement cases. Additionally,
he stated there are plans for a marketing campaign to familiarize the community
with the drone operations.
Vice Chair Castillo Laughton requested clarification regarding the training drone
operators will receive and the number of police officers currently licensed for drone
operations. Additionally, he expressed concern regarding the costs, inquired
regarding the measures in place to protect drones from damage or destruction, the
overall utility of the technology, and the availability of a warranty, and raised concern
regarding privacy. He recommended the policy define specific usage scenarios
rather than relying solely on an officer's judgment.
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Commander Lopez clarified that personnel is trained and certified through various
drone operator schools which abide by federal aviation requirements.
Deputy Chief Andrade spoke regarding operators being required to obtain an
Federal Aviation Administration Part 107 Remote Pilot Certificate before operating
the drones and noted that while there is currently no set number of operators, the
program will allow for several backups. He stated that precautions will always be
taken to avoid drone damage and while accidents are not always avoidable, the
drone is a tool that often prevents officers from entering dangerous situations. He
clarified there is a service model in place regarding warranties, drones only record
when activated by an officer, any recordings not classified as evidence will be
purged, and the department will continue to strictly abide by Fourth Amendment
protections.
Commissioner Mejia expressed concern regarding privacy, the use of thermal
technology, the broadness of the policy language, and allowing drone support to
other agencies without language requiring those agencies to abide by Santa Ana's
sanctuary policy. She requested clarification regarding Section N of the policy.
Deputy Chief Andrade stated Section N includes safeguards to allow command staff
to authorize use for unlisted scenarios, the drone policy does not include language
prohibiting assistance with immigration cases, and the Police Department will
continue to abide by the City's Sanctuary Policy or any court ruling prohibiting
specific uses, including thermal technology.
Commissioner Said stated that technology can be helpful to assess or deescalate
situations and there are legal remedies if the drone is used in violation of the Fourth
Amendment.
Commissioner Perea questioned whether there is a current Annual Military
Equipment report, whether drone data would be stored internally, whether the
company maintains access to the footage, and whether the policy prohibits the sale
of collected data. He expressed concern regarding privacy, and third-party server
storage, and stated the current policy is overly broad and could allow for potential
overreach.
Deputy City Manager Vazquez stated the current Annual Military Equipment report
has been presented to the commission and the new report will be presented at an
upcoming meeting.
Commissioner Gawronski asked regarding the total number of drones purchased
and whether the drones are capable of simultaneous operation. She expressed
concern regarding the city-wide use of illegal fireworks, and stated she hopes the
drone program might help alleviate this issue.
Commander Lopez stated there are five drones in total, and clarified two smaller
units are assigned to the Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) team for field
operations, while the remaining three are designated for calls for service. He stated
multiple drones could be deployed simultaneously, confirmed the drones could be
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Chair Carpenter asked whether there are variations in altitude between transit flight
and active observation, whether the drones are deployed to destinations via a pilot
or automatically through coordinates, and whether the cameras remain active
throughout the duration of the flight. He requested clarification regarding the
evidentiary validity of the captured footage and the reasoning behind the prohibition
of drone use for code enforcement purposes.
Commander Lopez clarified drone altitude is scenario-dependent, will navigate to
locations autonomously, and stated that while the camera is active during flight, a
remote operator takes control upon arrival to initiate recording when necessary. He
clarified drone footage is admissible as evidence, similar to body-worn camera or
other surveillance video, and drone use for code enforcement is prohibited as it
would constitute a violation of the Fourth Amendment.
Commissioner Vega asked whether the drone could be used by the Quality of Life
Team (QOLT) to monitor or communicate with unhoused encampments and
whether pilots are required to be sworn officers.
Commander Lopez stated the current policy does not allow the drone to be used for
enforcement purposes and limits drone use to investigative purposes only.
Deputy Chief Andrade clarified first responder drones will be operated by sworn
officers and other department professionals may use the drones to survey or
photograph a scene, and stated drones may be used for an encampment if the call
for service involves potential illegal activity.
Commissioner Mejia expressed concern regarding the use of drones for
surveillance of people who are unhoused, the misuse of surveillance enforcement,
and the expansion of operational use to include responding to calls for service, and
stated the current policy provides no usage on frequency guidelines, no minimum
threshold for deployment and no cap on expansion. She recommended developing
a protocol for conducting criminal investigations involving drones, and an annual
usage report to the City Council and the Commission, and she asked whether there
was any data to support to a reduction of use of force due to drones.
Commander Lopez clarified there is currently no data that supports a reduction of
use of force due to drones.
Commissioner Said stated drones would allow for quick situational awareness
which is beneficial and could allow officers to respond more precisely and possibly
reduce use of force. She recommended review of the policy within the year to
determine if changes are needed and suggested reviewing policies of other cities
who have already implemented a drone program.
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Commissioner Perea expressed concern regarding the drone program's community
impact and timing, particularly given the known use of drones by federal agencies
for immigration enforcement. He recommended adding language that prohibits the
service provider from selling data or the unauthorized use of data, including video
footage and recommended limiting authorized flight types to specific categories,
such as search and rescues, missing person, explosive device investigation,
firefighting support, and disaster or mass casualty support.
Assistant City Attorney Jonathan Martinez confirmed the vendor contract includes
a prohibition for the dissemination of the city's data and clarified that including any
prohibition in the policy would have no binding effect on the third party.
Vice Chair Castillo Laughton expressed concern regarding potential Fourth
Amendment violations, noted similarities to previous court cases involving
equipment such as helicopter and X-rays, and asked whether there are any
protections in place to prevent Fourth Amendment violations and whether there was
any research done on cases related to use of drones in other jurisdictions. He
recommended strengthening the language in the policy in regards to when drones
can be used for investigatory purposes.
Deputy Chief Andrade stated officers will continue to abide by the Fourth
Amendment and clarified drones will maintain their camera in the upward position
during transit to a destination, once the drone arrives, an officer will manually initiate
recording if necessary, and any footage not considered evidence will be purged. He
stated there was no research done on litigations but obtained data from other
agencies and was unable to locate an instance of resident complaints regarding
drone usage and noted one known case involving a drone in the in Los Angeles
area.
Chair Carpenter expressed concern regarding privacy, cost, overall efficiency of the
drone program and removing officer from the field solely for drone operation. He
asked whether there would be enough operators to operate all five drones at one
time, whether the budget includes the training for the operators, whether there is a
recurring cost for the certification, and whether it would be possible for underutilized
drone to be reassigned to a high service call area of the city.
Deputy Chief Andrade stated the quantity of drones purchased was based on the
size and population of the city, and operators will be a mix of assigned staff, noted
that in preparation for the potential drone program some officers have already
received their certification, and notes it is uncertain if there are any recurring costs
for the certification. He stated adjustments could be made in the future to improve
drone program's efficiency if needed.
Commissioner Mejia asked whether the drone has the ability to focus in on what it
is intending to capture in order to avoid inadvertently capturing unrelated footage.
Deputy Chief Andrade stated the drone has the capability to zoom into the intended
area.
Commissioner Perea recommended the annual report include a map highlighting
the most common areas the drone was deployed to.
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Independent Oversight Director Jack T. Mores stated the Military Equipment Use
policy contains gaps concerning mechanisms to ensure compliance, clarity on
which independent persons or entities hold oversight authority, and what legally
enforceable sanctions are in place. He stated the policy must include procedures
for members of the public to register complaints, concerns, or questions regarding
the use of each specific type of military equipment and noted the policy must
explicitly state the determinations used to justify the deployment of such equipment.
He stated state law allows for the use of military equipment only when no
reasonable alternative exists and it is unclear whether a formal analysis or study
has been conducted to support that assertion.
MOTION: Commissioner Mejia moved to have Oversight Director to conduct
additional research on Policy Nos. 606 & 607 and bring back the item as a
work study session, seconded by Commissioner Said.
The motion carried, 7-0, by the following roll call vote:
AYES: COMMISSIONER GAWRONSKI, COMMISSIONER MEJIA,
COMMISSIONER PEREA, COMMISSIONER SAID,
COMMISSIONER VEGA, VICE CHAIR CASTILLO
NOES: LAUGHTON, CHAIR CARPENTER
ABSTAIN: NONE
ABSENT: NONE
NONE
Status: 7— 0— Pass
***END OF BUSINESS CALENDAR***
COMMISSIONER REQUESTED ITEMS
4. Discuss and Consider Placing an Item(s) on a Future Agenda Regarding
Santa Ana Police Department Policy Nos. 311 and 303 — Commissioner Mejia
MINUTES: Commissioner Mejia provided a brief report regarding Police
Department Policy Nos. 311 and 303.
Commissioner Said asked for clarification regarding the language presented in the
memo regarding the application of Assembly Bill 40 in the field.
Commissioner Mejia clarified the wording is intended to ensure the Commission
can review data to confirm policy compliance and recommended reviewing one to
two years of related data to identify patterns or issues that need to be addressed.
Independent Oversight Director Jack T. Mores stated the Commission could do a
formal review of the policy and an audit of the Police Department's use of less-lethal
devices.
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Assistant City Attorney Jonathan Martinez stated the item could consist of a review
of Policies 311 and 303 as they apply to the Assembly Bill, followed by a
Commission decision on whether to conduct an audit of Policy 303.
Discussion ensued regarding the optimal presentation for the item and the
necessity of providing supporting data.
MOTION: Commissioner Mejia moved to bring Santa Ana Police Department
Policy Nos. 311 and 303 for review as a work study session item, seconded by
Commissioner Vega.
The motion carried, 7-0, by the following roll call vote:
AYES: COMMISSIONER GAWRONSKI, COMMISSIONER MEJIA,
COMMISSIONER PEREA, COMMISSIONER SAID,
COMMISSIONER VEGA, VICE CHAIR CASTILLO
NOES: LAUGHTON, CHAIR CARPENTER
ABSTAIN: NONE
ABSENT: NONE
NONE
Status: 7— 0 — Pass
MOTION: Commissioner Mejia moved to have an audit of Santa Ana Police
Department Policy No. 303 to ensure compliance in policy and practice with
AB48 based on readily available information as a work study session item,
seconded by Commissioner Perea.
The motion carried, 6-1, by the following roll call vote:
AYES: COMMISSIONER GAWRONSKI, COMMISSIONER MEJIA,
COMMISSIONER PEREA, COMMISSIONER SAID,
NOES: COMMISSIONER VEGA,VICE CHAIR CASTILLO LAUGHTON
ABSTAIN: CHAIR CARPENTER
ABSENT: NONE
NONE
Status: 6— 1 — Pass
STAFF COMMENTS
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MINUTES: Deputy City Manager Sylvia Vazquez differed her comments to the Police
Department to share with the commission their upcoming Community Police Academy
taking place May 13 through July 15, 2026.
Deputy Chief Roland Andrade announced and spoke regarding their Community Police
Academy.
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COMMISSIONER COMMENTS
MINUTES: Commissioner Gawronski thanked everyone for an interesting evening.
Commissioner Mejia thanked staff and the commissioners for being involved with the
policy, stated it sets a good precedent on how policy should be analyzed, and reiterated
her concern regarding the usage of drones, views the Commission's role as ensuring
there is a good policy, and warns that increased surveillance could be a false illusion
of safety.
Commissioner Said thanked staff for the presentation and stated she looks forward to
review of policy, and analyzing the future drone report to determine whether it can
reduce crimes and use of force.
Chair Carpenter thanked staff for the presentation and expressed concern regarding
the infringement of freedoms.
ADJOURNMENT -Adjourn the Police Oversight Commission Meeting.
MINUTES: Chair Carpenter adjourned the Police Oversight Commission meeting at
7:29 P.M.
The next meeting of the Police Oversight Commission is scheduled for April 9, 2026 at
5:00 P.M.
Respectfully submitted:
Diana Zuniga 67
Recording Secretary
Attest:
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Assi to C ty Clerk
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